Resistance is fertile

Yes, yes, Borg campaign surrogate Bill Clinton, who used to be a former president of the United States, assured everyone that the South Carolina Democratic primary really doesn't count because he isn't married to a black woman.

But gosh it looks like an overwhelming majority of Palmetto people of all the colors registered a reluctance to be assimilated. And when mere mortals, no matter what their race or star system of origin, resist the all-powerful and relentless Clinton Collective as vigorously as they did in South Carolina Saturday, it is a moment of inspiration for all life-forms throughout the galaxy.

Comments

[texexnv@yahoo.com]

MSNBC saying SC is a slam dunk for BO and against BC.

However we are all fools if we think the populace is electing anybody considering there are almost 800 Super-Delegates. that's right - 800!

[CoyoteMan]

My prediction and remarks about Hillary Clinton more than a year ago were: The best Republican the Democrats can run for office.
Hillary was annointed by the ultra conservative DLC and forget the rest!

Good luck because assholes like Rush Limpdick, Bill LieDaily and Fox Noise are going to tear her a new 1 during the general election and the Democrats will again snatch DEFEAT from certain Victory.

[Johnathan L. Abbinett]

"Resistance is FERTILE?" I LOVE IT HUGH! Oh, be still my rebel heart that yearns for a new American Revolution!

[Michael Green]

Coyote Man, I don't dispute that the professional liars you mention will attack Hillary Clinton if she is the nominee. But somewhere in The New York Times's archive is a column by Paul Krugman--late in 2003, I believe--warning Democrats that it would be silly to choose a nominee on the basis of his military record (i.e., John Kerry or Wesley Clark). His point, which he made quite clearly, was that Republicans would attack any Democratic nominee and lie about their record if they deemed that necessary. Well, does anybody remember the Swift Boat Veterans?

I can think of many reasons to choose or not to choose Sen. Clinton. But I hope no one has voted or will vote--or make arguments about who should be the nominee--according to the theory that she would be the most "attackable," because I will make a guarantee. Remember the ad about Harold Ford in Tennessee? That will look like a recommendation compared with what will be done to Barack Obama.

[anonyMOUSE]

There joes JLA talking to Hugh again.. Isn't that cute?

[MikeZ]

There goes the Professor hoping and wishing and praying voters are something they are not.

The Ford family of TN had a lot of baggage that brought Harold down and a senate race is far different than a presidential race.

Certainly both HRC and BO will be attacked, but it is she who is hated, and that hatred is visceral, emotional, deeply felt. The same 2mil voters who didn't like Lieberman in 2000 because he is Jewish, will vote again this time.

That's irrational, but voters are irrational. How many times has Krugman changed his mind in his own columns? He needs a good assistant to remind him of things he wrote just a few months earlier. LOL!

You can't recover from more than half your own party hating you...she is indeed the most 'attackable'

Ford had baggage, Hillary Clinton has steamer trunks in spades.

[Michael Green]

Mr. Zahara, I would appreciate it if you would not put words in my mouth or claim to read my mind. I stated that Senator Obama will be the victim of vicious attacks, and that Republicans will lie when necessary to make them. If you do not think, on the basis of almost every national election of the last several decades, that they will make up lies about Democrats, I would respectfully submit that you are the one guilty of hoping and wishing and praying for people to be what they are not.

[MikeZ]

I said they will attack, what more can I say. Your premise was flawed, I just pointed it out. Again, voters are irrational.

I think he survives it better than she. He doesn't drag the entire ticket down as she does, nor have anywhere near her level of baggage.

[texexnv@yahoo.com]

Actually you're both right. Of course the repugs will attack and lie. And they're good at it.

And BO is not Harold Ford.

The overriding question is which one can appeal to the middle-of-the-roaders who are actually going to be the ultimate deciders in this election. Neither the far right or the far left will decide the next pres.

At the present, BO appears to be more of a gatherer than a polarizer. When you see 52% of whites in SC tonight going for BO it seems pretty apparent he is the better at transcending and drawing from the middle electorate.

But this is still about delegates to Denver and the 800 Super-Delegates that will sell their souls to further their own agendas.

[MikeZ]

The numbers in northern NV speak volumes...those almost entirely white, moderate to conservative Dems and cross-over Republicans see something in BO. I'm still astonished at those numbers and thought JE would have carried up there.

BO gave one of his best speeches to date tonight and a 28 pnt win is colossal in politics.

He speaks to our better angels; we have trouble believing anything she says.

It's about the politics of yesterday and the politics of tomorrow...each represents one and not the other.

[CoyoteMan]

I stand by my prediction that Hillary is the annointed Democratic candidate.

I also predict that if elected Hillary will keep up that shameful Iraq war for years.

All of political Wash.DC is sooo attached to that mess, they'll never let go! Hillary is a BIG part of political Wash.DC.

If any of you harbor a delusion that there will be another "revolution" of great jobs and balanced budgets that happened during Bill Clinton's tenure as president during Hillary's tenure, please wake up now!

We'll need another FDR-style WPA and CCC to keep people employed and rebuild our infrastructure. That's just for starters.

But! As Nostradamus warned, this will happen if we don't work together to change things!

[Johnathan L. Abbinett]

Congratulations to the Obama Camp - WOW what a kick-butt victory for you all - and thanks for granting my second wish!

John Edwards is the one that spoke to our better angels first, and now, well into the campaign almost all of the OB and HRC policy papers mimick what John Edwards was saying long ago about taking care of our middle class, our elderly, our poor, our children, our disenfrachized - and our veterans! So, who is it that has driven the discussions, discourse and debate on the issues? John & Elizabeth Edwards!

Only four states have spoken - next up is the "Super Dooper Pooper" Tuesday - then, we'll have, for the first time, a good handle on the delegate count. Regardless, Edwards is in this through the floor fight in Denver at the DNC Convention!

I'm still praying, hoping and working for Edwards/Obama '08 - but, I could live with Obama/Edwards '08 too!

Imagine Obama as President with John Edwards as Vice-President (and as President of the U.S. Senate working with guys like Joe Biden and Jim Webb and Harry Reid)?

And imagine Robert Daskas beating Porter - WOW!

[texexnv@yahoo.com]

There certainly is that air of "entitlement" as Mojo likes to call it. And there is an air about BO that he wants to "earn" it. Quite different perspectives.

Sure, the DNC has rigged it. Why do you think they have 800 aces up their sleeve?

But popular momentum also counts. Tonight was a rout by anybody's standards. BO will get a lot of good press and HRC will declare it a total victory as she did here in Nevada when she also came out with less delegates. But can she keep pulling the wool over all the sheeps' eyes?

[texexnv@yahoo.com]

JLA - I think John Lennon said it better in the lyrics to "Imagine".

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one.

[Gary Kilbride]

Watching MSNBC tonight reminded me why sportsbooks wish NFL football ran all year. There is such comical overreaction to recency that the big picture seldom gets in the way. Just fall in love with the result of two minutes ago, and be astonished when it doesn't repeat next Sunday.

Pat Buchanon is the only one who threatened competent handicapping. How does the math even begin to favor Obama? Hillary has these blocks -- white women, Hispanics, oldtimers, super delegates. Sorry, but in primary reality that overcomes Obama's quartet -- youth, blacks, independents, proportional distribution. The later is the only thing that keeps Obama's hopes barely alive, the possibility that he loses many high populus states by tiny margin and therefore the delegate count is a wash, a la Nevada.

Won't happen. And it's also hysterical that this divide somehow destroys the Democratic nominee come November. A contested primary with heavy publicity and interest level turns non-registered into registered. And once you get the bug of voting, and your name on the mailing list generates more material coming your way, the more likely you follow through and participate again in the fall. Complicated stuff, I realize.

I posted on Democratic Underdground throughout '03 and into '04 that John Kerry was "just good enough to get you beat," and a military background was absurd rationale to consider someone most electable. It takes special personal traits to evict an incumbent in the TV age, not a resume. Only Reagan and Clinton have ousted an incumbent in recent decades. How did Kerry threaten to fit?

Kudos to Michael Green for understanding what Obama would face in the fall. His current image would be shredded in months of despicable twisting. Just think Jon Porter-like tactics, and multiply by the national debt. They won't shy away merely because it's an African-American. It's hardly the worst scenario to have someone with virtually 100% name recognition and 50/50 polarization running in a climate like this, a significant Democratic generic edge. Whatever they fire at Hillary will bounce with a laugh. I predict her unfavorables will actually decrease before election day.

BTW, when did Democrats blow a certain victory? That's garbage. Kerry was always the underdog in '04, vs. an incumbent with his party in power only one term. That's the single most favorable scenario imaginable, 9 of 10 successes (Carter '80) since 1900. And '00 was a toss up, Bush slightly favored throughout. Gore's only advantage was a few weeks post-conventions in September, before he sighed away debate #1. That single debate was more relevant to the outcome than anything that transpired in Florida. I sometimes host debate watching parties and women in my living room were aghast at Gore's behavior. I had one young woman call her mom in the middle of the debate, screaming that she couldn't believe she had planned to vote for Gore. He never fully regained that lost ground among white women.

[MikeZ]

You're just not processing that a fundamental shift is occurring within the party because it's been so damn long since we've had one. It's a splintering and schism that I think is very healthy.

Never before in our party's history has someone with such high negatives among her own party been viable this long--and folks like you that think that's not going to haunt throughout the process are just fooling yourselves.

She was the one who pushed loading up giga-Tuesday and didn't think of the consequences. Had we a longer vetting process, I would agree with you conclusions, but 9 short days and more than 20 states--she's going to need far more than NY and CA---that's why she is so desperate now to get MI and FL delegates sat in Denver.

She's not stupid, she knows she took a giant crap shoot and could lose it all depending on how things fall on 2/5. BO knocking off a bunch of the smaller states, or MA or NJ---this is so fluid, predictions are tough to call.

It's no accident she went str8 to TN today. The Gores have long been expected to endorse Obama, and that could come at anytime now. She was engaged in damage control this evening in TN. If they should endorse b4 2/5, she is in even deeper trouble.

Her 20 point lead in SC just 90 days ago turned into a 28 pnt loss. That's a shift any way you look at it.

A tectonic one...and she needs to recover spectacularly to survive.

[Lilly]

I wouldn't assume all the super-delegates will go to Billary. Already Obama has 8 Senate endorsements to Hillary's 11. And, after this big win in South Carolina, he should be racking up more. Bill has certainly helped people remember what his first 8 years were like and question whether he should get four more.

[Werd2406]

Certain victory with Obama as the candidate? Hahahahahahahahahahaha.....get real. He can talk about all he wants "Hope and being nice and getting along and not talking bad about one another" (though he occasionally does that but the media never call him on it) but the republican machine will tear him apart in the general. He won his IL senate seat because both his competitors had sex scandals. I mean get real, nice guy and all, but I'd want Clinton's team fighting back. There's nothing new they can say about her anyway that hasn't been said before.

[MikeZ]

I'm not too concerned at the Supers Lilly, they're all elected officials and will go where their delegations and voters tell them to go. They may be committed, but are not pledged and have zero loyalty on the first ballot in Denver--most will pass on the first ballot; uncommitted, if it's close. Nothing is tying their hands save threats and intimidation. What HRC is selling is prez and ex-prez visits the next time they're up for re-election.

Plus, no nominees wants the prize based on Supers sending them over the top on the first vote as that kind of diminishes the regular folks who ran as delegates. The Supers are there largely to get drunk and go to all the awesome parties. I've seen more party leaders losing their lunches in the gutter than I care to remember.

Fave menory: Ted Kennedy back in his drinking days, slow dance swaying back and forth with a 6'4" black drag queen named Bertha Vanation who just gave him a big check!

It looks like a contested convention and we haven't had on of those since 1972; I just hope it doesn't break down like Miami Beach did that year; we'll have big trouble recovering if that happens.

They are getting closer and closer to guaranteeing a REP president.
Yup!
Sam

[What?!]

CoyoteMan;

You propose that "We'll need another FDR-style WPA and CCC to keep people employed and rebuild our infrastructure." Where will this money come from?

Whoever becomes president will inheret the reigns of a failing US economy/society.

I saw a recommendation over on the R-J site today, to read US Comtroller Dave Walker, joined by the Concord Coalation, clarion call to reform SS, Medicare and Medicaid. Too, to read Warren Buffet's "tale of two islands." I 'googled' and read. Absolutley sobering. I know most of you won't read these 2 items, but I wish you would....it is our future.
walkerwarns
Here is Buffet's tale; twoislands

Another great read is "Wealth and Democracy" by Kevin Phillips.

[texexnv@yahoo.com]

What?!, you're scaring me the kids. I hope there are color pictures and no big words in those reports. Just give me the ending. Does the U.S. emerge triumphant again as a destined superpower? Will it become an HBO mini-series?

[MikeZ]

Gee, there HRC today in FL at a 1000K per head fundraiser in South Beach.

I guess the DNC rules are for everyone else 'cept her.

Teddy endorsing Obama is another good sign for him.

[texexnv@yahoo.com]

A ho must go with the flow 'ya know.

[MikeZ]

The sanctions on Fl are clear...she's blowing 'em all off today. No one else has held fundraisers in FL--she's breaking the compact she and her campaign signed off on!

AND she now is demanding FL delegates are seated and counted in Denver!

Say or do anything to win.