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09/04/2007

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*sigh*...but, this is who the small minority of populace, those who bothered to go vote, selected, with the help of donors who have given hundreds of thousands of dollars in reported and non-reported contributions.

I didn't know there were "sex clubs" in LV and I never bothered to look at the yellkow pages for escort service, let alone know there are 150 pages of advertising broken down into perversions. Maybe there are so many unseemly billboards on the roadside (and Reid had an ammendment to keep them there), that many of us don't even look at them anymore.....

Wonder if the MSM will comment on this book?

Unquestionably, prostitution in Las Vegas is legitimized by the mainstream corporate media here. Pick up a copy of the Greenspun newspaper "Las Vegas Weekly" or the magazine "944" and check out all the legitimite full-page glossy ads featuring near-naked young women in seductive "come-f*ck-me" poses. There is no difference between advertisements for strip joints or casino nightclubs. The unmistakable message goes out to girls in this community that their worth will be based on how much they doll themselves up to look like big-breasted Tijuana hookers.

Thing is, it just ain't for locals anymore. Wait at the airport for arriving relatives sometime and observe how many of our nubile young visitors enter baggage claim dressed like hookers. Vegas = getting laid no matter what. Except for us locals, of course.

I'm not here to defend Las Vegas. But I do feel better knowing that prostitution and sex clubs and advertising for them have totally disappeared from the rest of the country.

Those poor, exploited strippers, forced to drive Lexuses and carry Bulova. Those poor Pahrump prostitutes, dragged -- er, I mean, emotionally coerced -- into a life of selling their bodies. Herbert's moral indignation only clouds his inability to paint Nevada with anything other than a mile-wide brush. I don't know what's worse: his creeping paternalism or his strident condescension. Guess what? There's underage drinking, too. Close all the bars! Close all the bars! And underage gambling. Close the casinos! Close the casinos!

I think the working arrangement he describes in brothels could fit the model of any functioning office. Like, say, the New York Times.

Herbert couldn't have hit the nail any straighter! To reiterate, "There is probably no city in America where women are treated worse than in Las Vegas." THAT folks is the pure, unadulterated truth. It is not just about the prostitution. It is the male attitudes all over this town. From the police, to the DA, to the Judges. VERY unfriendly to women overall. And, women, if you divorce in this town, RUN! Don't live here! Get out of this cesspool of slime.

It is about time someone took on the thugs and pimps who run Vegas. Almost everyone has their hand in the cookie jar. Girls of 17 and 18 years old are seduced in with the promises of fancy cars and big houses. Once they discover they are expected to service a quota of at least 5 men a day, give them whatever they want, and split the money with pimps and cabdrivers and bartenders, the reality sets in. And once you're in, it is very difficult to get out. And if you have a violent pimp or work for a violent strip club owner you can just forget it, you are theirs. And can you call the police for help? NO! There need to be some services for women in Vegas who are trying to escape prostitution. Vegas has to stop using women like this. It is not right.

Bob Herbert wrote:
"Huge numbers of foreign women are trafficked into Vegas. The legions of Asian women in the massage parlors and escort services did not come flocking to Vegas from suburban U.S.A."

The above statement is xenophobic. Despite the stereotypes, not all Asian women who work in massage parlors or for escort services are trafficking victims. Amidst this xenophobia, migrant workers in the sex industry, many of whom are of Asian descent, are being subject to raids, arrests, and mass deportations. This does nothing to advance the status of sex workers rights or decrease forced labor in any industry. If these raids are mainly about rescuing trafficking victims and fighting forced labor, than why are sex workers being arrested and deported?
In response to Herbert's comment that these women aren't "flocking to Vegas from suburban U.S.A.," I say that the U.S.A. is a very diverse country and there are people of Asian descent who live in "suburban U.S.A." Even if these women don't come from the suburbs or from the U.S.A., that doesn't mean that they are all trafficking victims. In the globalized economy that we live in, many workers, including sex workers, cross borders to make a living. The conflation of all migrant sex work with trafficking combined with the criminalization of prostitution make it harder for workers in the sex industry to cross borders legally and work in the legal sex industry, so they are more vulnerable to trafficking and the abuses that are prevelant in the clandestine illegal sex industry, in which sex workers have no legally recognized labor rights nor equal protection under the law. Traffickers thrive in this illegal industry, and workers in the sex industry cannot report abuse without incriminating themselves in the process, which makes them especially easy targets for perpetrators.

A very good fisking of Hebert's piece can be found here:

http://sexinthepublicsquare.wordpress.com/2007/09/08/another-irresponsible-piece-on-sex-work/

The problem is that Hebert is deriving his views on prostitution wholly from the work of Melissa Farley. I think before you make judgments about prostitution based on this report, its a good thing to know exactly where Farley is coming from.

Basically, she's a very extreme radical feminist that believes any buying of sex under any and all circumstances amounts to an act of rape. Also, her research methodology is highly questionable and she's been called on this before. To say that she represents the interests of women in prostitution is debatable – there is a contingent of ex-prostitutes (who mostly have been involved in particularly abusive situations vis a vis prostitution) that support her. However, there's also a large sex workers rights movement who are very opposed to her.

The following Wikipedia page offers a good introduction to Farley:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melissa_Farley

In particular, follow the links to the articles featuring her debates with social scientist Ronald Weitzer, which should provide good background info for evaluating her recent report. Also note that this report is self-published, meaning its not a peer-reviewed study. There's good reason why Farley's questionable methodology has a hard time making it through the peer review process.

I’ve never seen so many unqualified statements about prostitution in one article. How is it that such statements are published with no documentation?

"There is probably no city in America where women are treated worse than in Las Vegas."

Quotes from ill famed poverty pimps like Melissa Farley are not considered credible sources. Farley's sensationalistic 'he said, she said' has never been considered valid research.
One paragraph starts off with a 'start with facts..."
What facts? This article doesn't have any.

"Huge numbers of foreign women are trafficked into Vegas. The legions of Asian women in the massage parlors and escort services did not come flocking to Vegas from suburban U.S.A"

Get some real facts and read the Government Accountability Office Report which disputed the U.S. Governments assertions about the state of forced labor in the sex industry in its report from July of 2006.

You might be able to get away with making these racist and contradictory statements like the above to the pople in Nevada but insider veteran sex industry workers like myself don't buy any it.

It reminds me of the 'weapons of mass destruction' statements that lead to the invasion of Iraq where incalculable human suffering is taking place years later with no end in site. I wonder how much dept is being levied on the heads of the American children yet to be born in this country for because of this lie?

“The average age of entry into prostitution is extremely young.”

I challenge you to produce the documentation for the statement above or take it back.


There is lots to be complained about in the sex industry, but to hear these unsubstantiated statements from profiteers off the criminalization of prostitution like Farley when actual sex industry workers can't even get to the center of our own advocacy to be self determined to address how we want to handle the third party exploiters like Farley and advertisers are more unconscionable acts by poverty pimping newspapers like your.

The thing that makes me think Herbert and this research woman are on to something is the way these weirdos have mysteriously come out of the woodwork to attack them on various websites.

A person might be tempted to think that these attack dogs are being paid by people who have money to lose if the Vegas honey pot starts to dry up. Off the top of my head, I could come up with pimps, brothel owners, stripclubs, casinos, taxidrivers, doormen, escort services, and massage parlor owners. How come we don't see them come out and post on websites? I guess some of these posters must be some of those people but for some reason they don't want to identify themselves.

One reason I think some of these posts are by pimps and other jerks is that they aren't very intelligent. They just attack the research lady and the reporter over and over with high school level arguments which is just about the average intelligence of your average pimp.

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Was that comment from Maxine Doogan really about pimps?

Is this the same Maxine Doogan aka Mary Ellen Doogan who was charged with pimping in Seattle?
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/conductunbecoming/pensions/docs/ring/5_statevdoogan.html

Talk about the pimp calling the kettle black.

Trying to keep all the profits for yourself, Mary Maxine?

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