When I was a but a wee lad in Sparks eagerly awaiting the stagecoach's arrival near the general store...

Sources contacted immediately following the debate could not confirm that when Jim Gibbons asserted "I certainly had no epiphany," he thought he had been asked a question about a surgical procedure.

But as governor, he'll secure more federal money for education, and get the federal government to do something about those darned illegal immigrants. So that's how to influence the federal government -- get elected governor. Gibbons must be kicking himself in the ass for all those years he squandered trying to influence the federal government by being in, you know, Congress.

And did Giblet render his closing statement to the wrong camera, or does he just lack focus?

More Wednesday, probably, on an annoyingly cautious debate.

Comments

[IronJawed]

Titus is so qualified, so smart, and so ready to lead Nevada in the right direction that to not elect her would be a travesty. Jim Gibbons is just a numbskull. If the debate is any indication, he would be capable of doing nothing for us.

[TruthToPower]

There must have been a drunken woman off camera. That would get his attention.

[Not Bob]

From the clips played on ch 19, it looked like there was a drunken woman behind the camera. When they showed clips of Titus speaking, the viewers saw only the back of Mitch Fox's head. I realize that station has the quality of a high-school a/v class, but this is just ridiculous.

But speaking of Jim Gibbons' "epiphany" with drunk women, they did report at the end of the broadcast that tomorrow's Sun has a story about Gibbons' hot night on the town last Friday. (No doubt its Ralston reposting his flash story, proving that even when he promises not to cover something, he can't help himself.)

[Tailspinterry]

Dina kicked some major butt. How's that for an epiphany? Hey, Jim, next time insist that the moderator can't use four syllable words.

[NVMojo]

I just loved the way they did the canned "people on the street" questions. That nurse really gives a flying turd about malpractice cases? Give me a break. Then we got to listen to Gibbons go on and on about what he would do about it like it was the only frigging problem facing Nevada in the medical field. That arguement was so 2000 and so off base when they didn't even address the part of the issue related to malpractice insurance companies investing their $$$ in bad deals.

[JWH]

Dina Titus knows EXACTLY what she wants to do when she becomes Governor and Jim Gibbons doesn't.

Dina Titus has plans to improve education in this State and Jim Gibbons doesn't.

Dina Titus knows all key details on almost every issues she spoke about last and Jim Gibbons didn't.

Dina Titus speaks the truth and didn't BS her way through the debate like Jim Gibons did.

Dina Titus simply knows Nevada and Jim Gibbons doesn't.

[Not Bob]

Mojo, I liked that touch. Reminded me of early Letterman. Too bad they didn't use the "fright cam" to pan in at the beginning.

The other part I found worthy of vintage LEtterman was Gibbons' answer on choice. Is he the only politican in America who can go on for 2 minutes and not say whether he's prolife or prochoice? HE said 2 or 3 times he opposes abortion except in certain cases but then also said it was none of the gov'ts business and went on to a metaphor about camels in tents....

[Tailspinterry]

The "camel's nose" is the most hackneyed metaphor in politics and Gibbons actually flubbed it. That's why the paleocons oppose the Child Health Insurance Program--it's the camel's nose for "gasp" socialized medicine.

[NVBlogger]

"paleocons" not sure I have heard that before. I like it.

[Captain]

I wasn't overly impressed with dina's performance, like I wasn't that thrilled with Gibbons'. Titus needed to blow him away. She did not do that. I get tired of reading all the "happy" little posts on this site which don't reflect the reality of the debate ramifications. Do you people have any idea what you're talking about? Titus was given one last chance to level Gibbons and she couldn't do it! Gibbons has been totally underestimated in his ability to fend off titus' attacks. It is part of the reason why Gibbons continues to hold a strong lead, and why with his money and capable ad campaign, it will likely get larger. I'm fine with people getting excited about their candidate, but sometimes you gleanerettes just shoot off at the mouth like you have a clue. Nothing will change because of last night--both candidates were just good enough to ensure that.

[IronJawed]

Captain, did you see the part where Gibbons compared unwanted pregnancy with camels in tents? Or did I just dream that up in my over-zealous excitement for my candidate?

[Captain]

Having watched your posts over the last few weeks, I know that whether anything was said about pregnancy or not, you would likely make it up, and then make an issue out of it. You catch me as a one, maybe two-issue liberal democrat who cares only about abortion and domestic violence. Those are important issues, no doubt, but it's short-sided thinkers like you who have been responsible for the democratic party getting its ass kicked over that past few years. Nothing you say really resonates with voters. That's not to say there isn't a place for people with your mind-set in the democratc party--I'm just saying that it doesn't win elections.

[IronJawed]

Captain, it's a good thing I'm not running for office then isn't it.

Gibbons, on the other hand... well, he's got a lot of explaining to voters to do. You are dead wrong that choice and issues like domestic violence aren't going to take voters to the polls. There is a significant number of pro-choice, anti-violence Democrats who are going to show up en force this election if the message gets through to them that Gibbons is not for helping Nevada's women. I have no doubt about it. In fact, if his answers during the debate last night are any indication - he's scared he is losing the "woman-vote."

Captain - whereas I am not a one-issue voter, Gibbons on the other hand has talked about only one thing throughout his campaign: taxes. According to Jim Gibbons, taxes are the only thing you and other Republicans care about. It is, therefore, unfortunate for the Republican base that according to polls, the majority of Nevadans today don't care about paying more taxes if they know for sure those taxes will go into making our school systems and roads better.

Also, to set the record excruciatingly straight: I've talked a lot about renewable energy, global warming, the state of our education system, junk ballot measures, health care and lots of other stuff (not just choice and domestic violence – though you are right about those being extremely important issues).

You have only come here to spin things to make Titus look bad. People see right through that crap, dude.

Lastly, the reason Dems have gotten their butts kicked in the last two election cycles because they lack spine. They were too spineless to come out and be anti-war, anti-patriot act, and anti a lot of things that if they were properly explained to the American public, we would be all be overwhelmingly against them. Plus, they were too spineless to be for the things that Americans care about like healthcare and choice (despite Howard Dean’s rhetoric, the majority of Americans are still pro-choice – there is no reason to bow-down to Fundamentalist Christians on this one).

But things have changed this election, haven’t they? (Dina is running against the war, for example). If the pundits are right, this may just be the beginning of a new political tide.

[Captain]

I haven't come here to make anyone look bad--people are capable of doing that on their own. I simply offer an opinion on what is happening with the gubernatorial race, and how democratic zealots spend their time in a chat room environment playing ostrich. While I agree with your assesment of democrats lacking spine, I must say that a more forceful approach to your "core" issues would only further push your party out of the middle. The real reason why democrats have lost on the list of issues you talk about is that most Americans don't feel the same way about those issues as you do. Gasp! No, it's true. Most Americans do not sit at home and talk about ways to further legalize abortion, or the legalization of drugs, or how to make peace with our enemies, or back down from a fight. Sad, but true. MOst americans want to hear about how we're going to execute murderers and child molestors, and lock up drug dealers, and how our mighty military force is going to take victory over any of our enemies, and yes, it's true--what it would be like to have lower taxes. My point, Ironjawed, is that you are just plain wrong about what americans think. You've gone too far left to remember what the average person cares about, and maybe so has dina titus and the rest of the democratic ticket, (though I have to give titus credit for trying desperately to come back to the middle lately). When you figure out what americans truly want, then you'll start winning. No doubt, the democrats have some very strong issues they are talking about this cycle, but as a whole--they just don't get the point.

[IronJawed]

First, you offer no proof for any of assertions.

Second, I have said nothing about legalizing drugs, or backing down from "the fight" which I assume you mean the war in Iraq. Common' dude, we all know those are Republican talking points! You are outing yourself. You act like a spinmeister rather than someone concerned about the future of our country.

Here’s the proof: you assert that putting away child molesters is example of the political "middle ground" (that's a lie straight out of the Fox News notebook). People on the far left and the far right (except Denis Hastert and the rest of the Republican House leadership) want child molesters put away for a very long time. Why do you choose to spin it as the "political middle ground"? Do you really think we buy that crap? We all know that the “political middle ground” is a nebulous term used by partisan spinmeisters.

Third, I agree people want lower taxes. But, when you ask them if they would rather pay for quality education or have their taxes lowered, they say let's pay for education. Jim Gibbons just doesn’t understand that.

The real story about taxes is this (and, if we had a real media in the US, rather than an across the board Fox News mentality, this would be part of our national discussion about taxes): every man woman and child owes $28,000 toward our national debt, which is a direct result of the war in Iraq. This money will not go towards education, roads, veterans and any one of a million things that are important to Americans.

You say that Americans want to hear only about executing murderers and child molesters, but you bring no proof of that. I highly doubt that's the only thing voters want their politicians talking about.

So, I guess my point is that you've gone far too right. You listen to too much Fox News. Americans are getting tired of lies and polls reflect that. And, Americans are beginning to get tired of the MSM in general (if Kieth Olberman's popularity is any indication).

Dems will start to win is if Americans wake up to the malfeasance of the MSM, or if the MSM chooses to do journalism again, and not just repeat Republican talking points.

[IronJawed]

I'm in a time crunch and forgot to add this:

Captain, I don't know if you are a Republican hack or a truly concern Dem, but would you please stop repeating Fox News bullet points?

[Not Not Bob]

IJ-

Looks like you've just outed yourself as well. If you really think that the MSM is too conservative, you are so far left that you popped out on the republican side again. Fox News is definitely conservative-leaning, but every other news media channel is liberal-leaning if anything.

[IronJawed]

Not Not Bob (does that make you just Bob?), I couldn't dissagree with you more. The MSM lost all of its critical faculties after the great "9/11," and has moved markedly to the right. For example, despite the repeated attempts by Richard Clark, and other folks like him, to sound the alarm call about the real reasons Bush is going into Iraq, the MSM completely let us down by doing no reporting on these valid criticisms.

John Harris, political editor of The Washington Post, makes a distinction between the old MSM (pre-Bush and 9/11) and the current MSM which is driven by cable news. He says, "There is no fundamental standards or basic ethics. The whole definition of 'news' in the new media environment has changed. There is no such thing as 'neutral facts.' Everything is either a weapon or a shield in this great ideological war. And that benifits conservatives." What he is discribing is the when cable news mainly "opinion" journalism, they don't have to do fact checking. Therefore, you get people screaming from both sides, and facts just don't get aired.

Listen to these interviews, they are great:

Visit this page: http://www.thislife.org/pages/archives/archive05.html
and scroll down to "What's in a Number"

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6195034

[IronJawed]

err, what that awkward sentence should have said is:

What he is discribing is usual business of cable news to rely on "opinion" journalism, where fact checking is not necessary. Instead you get people screaming from both sides, and facts just don't get aired.

Visit this page: http://www.thislife.org/pages/archives/archive05.html
and scroll down to "What's in a Number"

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6195034

[IronJawed]

Okay, this is my last post for today, I promise. But, I couldn't resist posting another link to a different "This American Life" interview that was just amazing.

Visit http://www.thislife.org/pages/archives/archive06.html
and click on "Habeas Schmabeas."

[A Real Democrat]

Did you see Olbermann's commentary tonight re: habeas corpus? If not, get it on the internet. It's great. Olbermann is the only journalist who is willing to "tell it like it is" and call a "spade a F---ing shovel!" He is awesome!

[John]

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